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CHANSON81

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Abortion's Secret Consequences

Seeded on Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:18 AM EDT
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health, abortion, autism, medical-research, blindness, hearing-loss
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As a woman who is pro-choice, I do not believe in abortion as a regular form of birth control, but I do feel that the option should be available and that each woman has the choice.

After reading this article, it is my opinion that that there is either not enough medical research done on the effects of abortion on the mother, or the public is not made aware of this.

This article brings to light some interesting research on the effects of abortion, for women who have children latter in life. Research has indicated that post abortion births are often premature, and other research show higher risk factors of premature babies to have autism, hearing loss/deafness, epilepsy, blindness… Are doctors making patients aware of this before the surgical abortions?

As I said before the choice for abortion should be a personal one, but it should also be an educated one.

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kj031056-1

In 2008, Norwegian researcher Dag Moster co-authored a study that found that an “extremely premature newborn (under 28 weeks' gestation) had 9.7 times the autism risk of [a] full-term newborn (at least 37 weeks' gestation).” Research has already indicated that one of the negative effects of surgical abortion is that subsequent pregnancies are premature.

That's quite a stretch isn't it?

Research has indicated that post abortion births are often premature, and other research show higher risk factors of premature babies to have autism,

My sister's son has autism, she NEVER had an abortion. My son was 16 days overdue, I did have an abortion 6 years prior......looks like this study is 0-2 in my family.

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:48 PM EDT
js-445607

I've said this many times and think it might apply here. Someone needing to publish for tenure or whatever often come up with these off the wall conclusions that have no connection with their so-called findings. I would say this is pure speculation and nothing more. I worked in a school for 10 years that held two Autism classrooms. There were usually 10 children in each classroom. There was also Autism children in Mainstream classrooms so I would venture to say that at any given time the school population had 25 or more students with high Asperger syndrome or autism. Parents were from all spectrums of society some very young some older. Would I even consider all 25 women had abortions before giving birth to a child with autism? Not likely nor would I attribute low birth weight to abortion. This kind of article often stirs the pot for negativity and I don't like it one bit.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:26 PM EDT
kj031056-1

well the article is from cnsnews.com the RIGHT news, RIGHT now.....who's president is L. Brent Bozell of the Media Research Council......they wouldn't be able to find the truth about abortion if it bit them in the a$$

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
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chanson81

Interesting feedback from all of you.

I had not heard of any of the research pro or con on abortion, and am always interested to learn both sides, and opinions.

Thank you.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:14 PM EDT
kj031056-1

I don't know that you would ever find research that is pro-abortion (unless it's for termination of a etopic pregnancy), but you will find all types of misleading anti-abortion research, most of which has been proven wrong.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT
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Dowser

I'm probably going to sound politically schizophrenic here:

Every human is precious and dear. I do not know when an embryo becomes a viable human being-- perhaps when it can survive outside of the womb? I have a friend who JOKINGLY says that she feels that abortion should be legal until the child is 21-- but that is on a day when her kids are driving her bonkers and they are teenagers. I see her point, at times, myself. :-)

I have a very close friend who chose to end a pregnancy because her child was going to be born with severe mental retardation and physical problems. She and her husband did not make the decision without speaking with her pastor. She was 32 at the time. I think that she made a very wise choice. She has two healthy, lovely children who were at term.

I had a child at 43. At that time, my son had a 75% chance of being born with Down's Syndrome. We went through the genetic counseling and I had an amnio. I thank God every day that I did not have to make a choice.

Perhaps one pro-choice research is that, as an indicator of poverty, poor school performance, etc., children born to children have a really lower chance in life. Yes, there are hundreds of exceptions, but, in general, the children of children do not have the chances in life to be successful, as those born to an older, more mature and settled, mother.

Medically, I've never heard or read that having an abortion made any difference whatsoever. My son was premature, but I was 43 and very ill. He is fine and dandy and the miracle of my life.

I think it is up to the person having the baby. It is not a form of birth control, and I know of no one who makes the decision lightly. I also know of no one who has made the decision that was permanently scarred for life with emotional guilt. Yes, they are sad about it, it was a horrible thing, but it was the best decision made at the time.

Personally, I am pro-choice. I am also pro-life in that you also have to think about the mother's life. Situations happen-- we may not like it, as a society or as a parent, etc., but it is something that we must deal with.

Isn't it better for a mother to have her children when she is physically and emotionally mature enough to take care of her child? Does anyone one but me notice that the only ones having children are the people of the lower socio-economic stratus that can't afford abortions, or don't quite qualify for help until they have a child, which perpetuates the cycle of poverty?

If anyone yells at me, please, I've thought about this a lot. No one is going to change my mind, and I don't really want to listen to any attacks... Please feel free to discuss, but do not attack.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:48 AM EDT
bore-head007

Excellent observations,gracefully stated.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:08 AM EDT
Dowser

Thanks, bore-head. It was difficult to write. :-)

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT
js-445607

Dowser, no attacks but plenty of kudos. You have stated this beautifully and I am in agreement. I feel the whole abortion issues has been sullied by those not willing to open their eyes to the benefits of choice. I've only known one woman having abortions in excess but she is a very sick individual and uses unwanted pregnancy to make the man she is with at the time squirm. It is her revenge and when I got after for this she did what was expected accused me of being mean to her.

  • 3 votes
#3.3 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:28 PM EDT
Dowser

I know. It is a difficult subject to discuss, and difficult subject to think about. I don't know what I would do if I were in their shoes, or what I would have done if something had indicated major problems with my son.

I've never known anyone that didn't think this was one of the major life's decisions that they made. If you feel strongly against it, then there is no choice to make, I guess.

Thanks, js.

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:40 PM EDT
js-445607

Dowser, there are a lot of people out there not wanting women to have a choice but I think this is a violation and not up for discussion. If a woman feels she can handle a child with disabilities I'm sure she make a different choice than some other woman feeling they cannot. It is a sticky situation but it should be left to the woman to decide and the rest of us to mind our own business. Years ago I had a friend that was told by her doctor that the child she was carrying was defective. She was a mess throughout her pregnancy studied and researched to prepare herself and out comes a perfect baby. She adopted after that incident as she said she just could not bare the stress and the nagging worry of whether or not she was doing the right thing for the child.

I have another friend with a Down's child and when she found out her baby had Down's Syndrome she began schooling as a special education teacher. I have a 43 year old Down's Syndrome friend and she is heaven on earth. She's independent and resourceful and ever so joyful.

  • 2 votes
#3.5 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:53 PM EDT
Dowser

Yes. Down's syndrome children and adults are wonderful! As I say, I don't know what I would have done...

My husband's sister is likely a Trinome, another birth defect that worried me...

And no, it is not open for discussion. Not to me, anyway.

  • 2 votes
#3.6 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:59 PM EDT
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Kara Shalee

Autism, another severe condition that no one in the medical community can figure out...........usually medical conditions that arise out of nowhere (such as children being born without arms and/or legs) or increase exponentially such as autism are eventually traced right back to the medical community or pharmaceutical industry. In the first example here, thalidomide. In the second example, there is mounting evidence that not just the number of vaccines given to infants and children are extreme, but that the multiples given in one injection, or the improper spacing of injections could well be the culprit. We had a grandson born perfectly normal who became severely autistic sometime in his 3rd year. That doesn't just "happen". There is a reason for it. And my daughter in law never had any abortions to my knowledge. Had she, it would have been none of my business anyway, unless she wanted it to be.

I also can't stand the way that the word abortion is bandied about by candidates for political office. It's become such a tar and feather word that they know they will get a gazillion votes based on that alone. My mother liked Obama but couldn't vote for him since he was not specifically anti-abortion. So, she voted for the other guy, who thought that killing people in the Middle East for the next 100 years would be OK.

Sorry, I did not mean to get political here, cause I don't like to discuss any of it generally........I'm just using it as an example.

People need to get real with themselves and ask themselves which they like best...........termination of a doomed pregnancy or wait til the children are teenagers, then throw them into war and terminate their life as well as the lives of innocent citizens (have any or these "moral" deciders stopped to think that some of these women killed are or were actually pregnant???????????).

OK, I don't usually get this worked up and I have a migraine from the heat. Time to go off line.

Like you, Dowser, I'm a schizo on the abortion issue. I am also pro-life AND pro-choice. It's an individual decision, often left to the woman with not much time to decide..........

Even good ole Sarah P had the thought that aborting Trig might be "convenient". Convenient???? Give me a barf bag. I doubt most women facing this awful decision had that be the first word pop into their head. Maybe they actually thought about the life the child would have to endure, or for other reasons.

I think it's time for my meds for this headache. At my age, I have no chance of becoming pregnant. Perhaps a study could be launched about why so many people are moralistic jerks..........OK, put a fork in me, I'm done.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:27 PM EDT
js-445607

Theresa N, great post and I agree with you. The thalidomide incident was the most horrific I believe. I met a victim here on the island many years ago. He was a young adult who used a skateboard to get around. He did rather well and I was very impressed with his independence. He had a torso and flipper type hands and feet. Much to my surprise 20 years later I saw him again here on the island. He's still doing fine. I don't know if I could stand to give birth to a child with this much to face in life but we never know what lessons are in store for us. Abortion wasn't legal in the days of this debacle so I wonder how many babies were born with this handicap.

I don't think every woman gets an abortion after a report that there may be a problem with the fetus. I know many autistic and Down's children and have observed them from a very young age to young adult. They do quite well and if people would simply stop thinking they are "uncomfortable" around those with more of a life challenge I think it would be much better for all concerned.

You are so right about the "convenient" aspect. It kind of gets the hackles up.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Dowser

Theresa N. this is hard subject and I hope you feel better!

  • 1 vote
#4.2 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:43 PM EDT
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Kara Shalee

**********I don't know how to "de-clip" or depublish from a group however can someone who can do so help out here? This is a locked group discussion, and I think in error it got published to all of NV**************

Thanks.........

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:47 PM EDT
Dowser

I think you have to contact the person who seeded it... Only they can change the publish to parts, unless Tyler or Calvin can...

Poor Theresa, and having to do all this with a headache!

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:52 PM EDT
Red Wolf

In the Publish To section, All of Newsvine is check by default. It becomes such a part of the background that you no longer notice it.

Edit the post. Scroll down to the blue Publish To section and click to to open it. Right at the top you'll see a ticked box beside All of Newsvine, untick it and it will depublish it from the site as a whole, leaving it just on the column and any nominated groups.

  • 1 vote
#5.2 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:23 PM EDT
Kara Shalee

Thank you for your swift response! I emailed the seeder to let him/her know that I had contacted NV staff as a courtesy............and also let him/her know that no need to respond to my email as I am not NV staff and that would be at the seeder's discretion.

Learning the ropes around NV is a process for everyone. There's so much I don't know. Very happy that the NV guide concept was introduced..........and it seems that one of you is always on duty.

Thank you RedWolf........have a great day.

PS I think also there is a bug in the system so (again sigh) I am emailing you again. Promise to keep it short.........Theresa

    #5.3 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:43 PM EDT
    Kara Shalee

    ************I was wrong and I am sorry, Chanson81 for any confusion caused by me to you. The confusion was on MY part************Again, the problem was with me, not with the seeder of this article.

    My apologies, Chanson81.

    All the Best to You!!..................mea culpa............Theresa N

    PS The guides straightened me out and I thank them for that.

      #5.4 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:43 PM EDT
      rottlady

      Theresa, if you are the owner or admin of the locked group, you can go to the group page and find this seed, directly under it is a group of icons, one of them will be a trashcan, click on that and it will delete it from the group.

      However, it looks like this isn't clipped to any group right now.

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      • 3 votes
      #5.5 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:48 PM EDT
      Kara Shalee

      Thank you, I "get it" now. Thank you to the guides for taking the time.

      • 1 vote
      #5.6 - Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:49 AM EDT
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      Kara Shalee

      Well Dowser, maybe we wouldn't have gotten some of the very thoughtful posts, such as yours, if it hadn't happened.............but anyway I'll try to get in touch with the author of the seed, or maybe he or she will check back in..........looks like they have not been on NV very long, so might not know how to do this either. I think it can be done, but then with having a migraine, I'm not thinking too well..........

      Thanks

      • 1 vote
      Reply#6 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:59 PM EDT
      Dowser

      (((((((((((((((((Theresa))))))))))))))))) I hope you feel better. Migraines are awful! I don't see how you sit upright!

      • 1 vote
      #6.1 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:02 PM EDT
      Kara Shalee

      Because occasionally must...........(sigh)...........anyway I wanted to say how very happy I am that your son is health and doing fine. My auntie had a baby in her at 45. They already had 6 in the family and were practicing the rhythm method of birth control.

      My cousin Ritchie (he's in his 40's himself now, but as I remember when he was born, he still allows me to call him this instead of Rich because he is so laid back), anyway became the light of my auntie and uncle's life as well............sometimes life is sweet.

      Luv you, Dowser

      • 1 vote
      #6.2 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:21 PM EDT
      Red Wolf

      Depublishing the article from all of Newsvine will need to be done by the seeder. This would only be done by admin if the seeder couldn't figure it out or it was a meta article, which this isn't.

      Unfortunately, if the trolls descend and the column owner isn't present, it will be up the community to report the offending comments in her absence.

      • 1 vote
      #6.3 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:27 PM EDT
      Kara Shalee

      Which we will do............no trolls, please

      • 1 vote
      #6.4 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:37 PM EDT
      Dowser

      I'll help, Theresa. Thank you Red Wolf!

      And thank you, Theresa-- he keeps me going, much of the time! :-)

      • 1 vote
      #6.5 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:45 PM EDT
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